INTERVIEW: Fund chief Kirill Dmitriev on why Russia-Saudi relations are about more than just oil

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  • CEO of Russian Direct Investment Fund explains why relations between the two countries are 鈥渢he best ever鈥�

Kirill Dmitriev was one of the bigger attractions on the 鈥渃orridor of power鈥� at the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum last week.

The chief executive of the Russian Direct Investment Fund found it difficult to walk the long central avenue of the ExpoForum center on the city鈥檚 outskirts without being stopped by journalists and quizzed about the many deals RDIF announced at the three-day event, sometimes dubbed the 鈥淩ussian Davos鈥�.

An investment banker and private equity merchant by trade, since he was appointed to the top job at RDIF in 2011 Dmitriev has emerged as one of the leading advocates of the 鈥渘ew鈥� Russian economy that President Vladimir Putin is trying to forge, and a staunch defender of the country鈥檚 sometimes controversial foreign policy.

He is also a big friend of 黑料社区. 鈥淚 think Russia now has the best relationship ever with 黑料社区, thanks to the efforts of President Putin, King Salman and Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman,鈥� he told Arab News during a break in his whistle-stop tour of the forum exhibits. Though he does not say so, his own efforts have also contributed significantly to the development of that relationship. For the past couple of years 鈥� since the first Future Investment Initiative conference in Riyadh in 2017 鈥� RDIF has been in partnership with the Kingdom鈥檚 Public Investment Fund (PIF) on a range of joint investments in Russia and 黑料社区. Last year, that was extended to include a three-way investment fund between Russia, China and 黑料社区. It is big strategic stuff.

The relationship goes back further than just two years, Dmitriev revealed. 鈥淚t started four or five years ago with the visit of the Crown Prince to the forum, where he met our president and our investors. It all came from that,鈥� he said.

 

BIO

BORN

鈥� Kiev, 1975

EDUCATION

鈥� BA Economics Stanford University, California, US

鈥� MBA Harvard Business School, US

CAREER

鈥� Investment banker, Goldman Sachs

鈥� Consultant, McKinsey & Co

鈥� Private equity executive

鈥� CEO Russian Direct Investment Fund

 

Business and personal relationships struck then have proved enduring. The news headlines in St. Petersburg were all about the Saudi-Russia entente in the energy industry, where the Opec+ deal to limit production has helped stabilize oil prices at a time of great volatility.

鈥淭here is no doubt that an Opec+ agreement that allows Russia, 黑料社区 and others to stabilize oil markets can be positive, will stay in place and will be going forward regardless of any short-term decisions,鈥� he said.

鈥淢aybe there will be a slight increase in production, maybe it stays the same, but regardless of that short-term decision in June, Opec+ will definitely do positive things for the world economy and our countries,鈥� he added, as energy policymakers from the Saudi and Russian sides met in St. Petersburg to hammer out production details ahead of the next meeting of oil producers later this month.

But the Saudi-Russia relationship is about more than just oil, as Dmitriev explained.

鈥淏asically it is all encompassing. It鈥檚 not only in the area of investments, it鈥檚 not only in the area of oil, but also in terms of culture. There is an exhibit where two great Saudi artists presented their work on artificial intelligence. Who could have imagined just four years ago that two Saudi artists, both of them female, would be in a Russian exhibition on artificial intelligence?

鈥淚t shows how the world is quickly changing and it shows that Russia and 黑料社区 are great partners,鈥� he said, referring to a cultural exhibition that opened in the famed Hermitage museum on the first day of the forum.

Dmitriev spelled out some of the areas where Saudi and Russian interests coincide. 鈥淭here is a huge opportunity for 黑料社区 to invest in Russian infrastructure, in technology and in the petrochemicals sector. We are discussing a number of deals with Saudi Aramco through Sabic in petrochemicals.

鈥淔or Russian companies, the interest is in oil services, and we have a petrochemicals project in 黑料社区. In infrastructure, a Russian company has offered to build a major bridge in 黑料社区, and our Russian railroads want to build railways there,鈥� he said.

There is also likely be ongoing joint interest in the field of artificial intelligence, which is a big priority area for both the Kingdom and for Russia, and could tap in to 黑料社区鈥檚 growing international financial network.

鈥淲e have a joint fund with PIF in technology. So that will be the vehicle to do some AI stuff as well. And by the way PIF has a great partnership with SoftBank, so that relationship is also very important,鈥� he said.

Tourism and leisure is another area where he sees potential mutual benefit. 鈥淲e believe that lots of Russian tourists would benefit from and would enjoy going to 黑料社区. We have a major tourism program that is very interesting for Russian tourists, including Muslim Russian tourists,鈥� he said.

At home, RDIF鈥檚 mandate, with $10 billion of reserved capital under its management, is to invest in the country鈥檚 infrastructure 鈥� roads, bridges, airports, transport and logistics systems 鈥� in pursuit of the Russian national program to modernize and transform its economy.

Much like 黑料社区鈥檚 Vision 2030, Russia 鈥� the world鈥檚 biggest energy producer 鈥� realizes it must diversify its economy away from oil dependency, and has also to overcome the effect of US-led sanctions on some sections of Russian business, imposed after the annexation of Crimea in 2014.

RDIF is one of the main instruments for achieving both goals. Hitherto dependent largely on government funding, there were some suggestions at the St. Petersburg event that it could seek to widen its appeal to private sector investors 鈥� Russian and global 鈥� for the next stage of its development.

Apart from President Putin, who regularly attends the forum, the big foreign guest was President Xi Jinping of China. His presence on the same podium as Putin underlined that, as trade tensions with the West increase for both Russia and China, the two big powers are increasingly likely to seek mutual support, especially in relation to Donald Trump鈥檚 US.

Dmitriev鈥檚 position on that prospect is nuanced. 鈥淐hina is an important and very strategic relationship for Russia, but it鈥檚 not a tactical decision, that we think about China now when there are trade wars with the US.

鈥淩ussia has had a good relationship with China in the past 鈥� it is definitely a very strategic partner the last ten years and we have signed a number of deals with them, including with Alibaba this week. We think Russia and China can do lots of great things together, but its not a relationship of Russia and China against somebody else. Russia is open to China, to the US, to Europe and the Middle East,鈥� he said.

There was no official American presence in St. Petersburg after the US ambassador to Moscow said he would boycott the event in protest at the detention of Michael Calvey, a big US investor in Russia, in a dispute over ownership of private equity firm Baring Vostok.

Dmitriev鈥檚 view on Calvey and the US absence was carefully worded: 鈥淲ell, we see lots of investors who did come, and it鈥檚 important to have constructive dialogue. And by the way in the forum we announced a joint investment with Baring Vostok. Calvey is a very credible person.鈥� 

There were a raft of deals announced by RDIF during the forum, some involving Middle East investors, such as an infrastructure finance agreement to help build a new ring road around congested Moscow.

Perhaps the most eye-catching one involving Arab partners was an early stage project involving RDIF and other Russian corporations with DP World of the UAE to develop sea routes in the Arctic region.

Dmitriev explained the rationale. 鈥淏ecause of global warming, there are some things happening that open some opportunities. Russia has this frozen coast all of the seasons. Now it鈥檚 opening up and it鈥檚 possible to navigate for nine months. When you have special ships you can actually have 12 months navigation. That could cut the length of travel for many ships by half.

鈥淪o that鈥檚 a huge opportunity to reduce time of delivery, reduce costs of delivery. DP World is one of the largest infrastructure players in the world, one of the largest shipment companies that controls a huge portion of trade. Their commitment is to build with us different port facilities in the northern sea route, and it鈥檚 an example of how interesting economically this infrastructure is,鈥� he said.

Earlier in the week, Dmitriev had stood alongside Khalid Al-Falih, the Saudi energy minister, at the Hermitage to applaud the new-found Russian-Saudi cooperation in art and technology. What began as a relationship in the energy business had obviously blossomed into something broader.

鈥淭hrough oil deals and investment deals we really build friendship and great camaraderie,鈥� he said, before weaving his way again through the media ambushes in the forum halls.